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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can, thank you.


Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)

Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ Gleb Bazov, banned from Twitter, referenced pretty heavily in what remains of pro-Russian Twitter.

https://t.me/asbmil ~ ASB Military News, banned from Twitter.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday Patrick Lancaster - crowd-funded U.S journalist, mostly pro-Russian, works on the ground near warzones to report news and talk to locals.

https://t.me/riafan_everywhere ~ Think it's a government news org or Federal News Agency? Russian language.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ Front news coverage. Russian langauge.

https://t.me/rybar ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

With the entire western media sphere being overwhelming pro-Ukraine already, you shouldn't really need more, but:

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Yesterday's discussion post.


  • notceps [he/him]
    hexbear
    14
    2 years ago

    I'm not so sure about it DPA had an interesting thing in one video about russia posting about the foreign fighters and around 28% of all of them were eliminated (Killed, Wounded or Captured I assume) with an assumed 25% of ukranian forces dead that'd be 62.500 soldiers killed wounded or captured, with the ukranian goverment themselves saying "Hey we are losing 1000 troops every day" means that their casualties have doubled, this is of course assuming both the russian numbers on foreign fighters and the ukranian governments claims are right, I wonder how many people the ukranian government can shovel into those frontlines before the whole army collapses.

    • SoyViking [he/him]
      hexbear
      15
      2 years ago

      I read some weeks ago about the Ukrainians straight up press ganging random civilians in the subway. I also saw a video of the Ukrainians tying recruits together two and two for their medical checkup in order to prevent escape. I can't imagine the situation being any less desperate now.

      It could also be that all of that is Russian propaganda and that the west is right about the brave Ukrainian people volunteering to jump head first into the meat grinder. Either way, at some point they will run out of guys sooner or later.

    • chlooooooooooooo [she/her]
      hexbear
      8
      2 years ago

      no way the ukrainians have lost 62.5k so far. i think about 20k is most likely. i'd assume that 28% figure for foreign fighters is heavily inflated relative to the ukrainian loss percentage - they're more likely to be involved in the nastiest fighting, they're probably more ok with dying in combat (i mean, if you're willing to travel across the world to fight for a shitty country like ukraine, then you probs don't have much on the line to live for), and it seems like a not-insignificant portion of them give away their position by posting about it and get themselves killed.

      • notceps [he/him]
        hexbear
        10
        2 years ago

        The Azovstal situation had a claimed 2400~ fighters get captured that would've been 12% of their entire losses if it were only 20k but even so let's just say they've lost only 20k that's 200 people getting eliminated (that means people getting wounded, killed, captured or surrendering) they still jumped from that low number to now 1000 people a day. My point isn't that they've lost a lot of people but that they are rapidly losing more and more people at some point you run the risk of running out of people that can instruct people to fight.

          • notceps [he/him]
            hexbear
            7
            2 years ago

            https://tass.com/defense/1465843

            https://www.axios.com/2022/06/15/ukraine-1000-casualties-day-donbas-arakhamia

            • chlooooooooooooo [she/her]
              hexbear
              7
              2 years ago

              that's 1000 casualties, not deaths. 200-500 deaths per day according to that second one.

              • notceps [he/him]
                hexbear
                10
                edit-2
                2 years ago

                I never said deaths? I said 1000 eliminated, i.e. taken out of action, i.e. killed, wounded, captured or surrender, eliminated means out of the fight, captured people don't fight for the ukr army anymore, for the ukranian army it doesn't matter if someone gets killed, wounded or captured because to them it's all the same, it's one soldier less you can throw at the russian army.

                Edit: should also add this of course also means people that have fled the whole conflict

        • chlooooooooooooo [she/her]
          hexbear
          5
          2 years ago

          if it was over 30k in april then the ukrainian army would literally not exist as a fighting force at this point. that claim is as ridiculous as the kinda absurd shit the ukrainian gov has claimed about russia's losses - you're talking greater loss rates, adjusted for the size of military theatre, than any major conflict since WW2, in a war which has been less intense than that conflict in every way.

          • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
            hexbear
            6
            2 years ago

            Russian clobber list had 30k casualties in April and they have been roughly accurate thus far. Casualties, not deaths

          • Commiejones [comrade/them, he/him]
            hexbear
            3
            2 years ago

            Pretty sure Ukraine had 150k in the regular army at the start of the war without conscripts. 30k is not really that much considering.