i love hexbear. libs posing as anarchists come running in yelling "tankie!" and the cool anarchists tell them to fuck off and touch grass.
Left-unity means touching grass. Only liberals and boomer idealists who have never succeeded in anything give a fuck about the importance of sectarianism.
there's a history of anarchists proudly failing and dying because of sectarianism. because authoritarianism and hierarchies are always bad to the sectarians. good luck not using hierarchies on a battlefield of any kind against an even semi modern army. OP is probably 18 years old and doesnt want to listen to his mom.
There's a strong objective trend of every single ideology failing to gain ground because of sectarianism. Even Lenin in what is to be done advocated against pluralism amongst comrades but in the writing advocated working w every bloc that had an interest against the tsar.
And particularly if the conditions within ur country are not imminently revolutionary there is absolutely no use for sectarianism as a principle that isn't in practice just telling people to fuck off for being actively detrimental.
I was trying to find anarchist mecha artwork and found this instead
You responded to people having positive opinions about Che Guevara with some "we need less authoritarianism, not more" style comments.
But what was Cuba to do with the US right next door? How would they be able to defend their revolution by immediately dissolving the state? Is the situation currently in Cuba ideal, and was it ideal in the past? Of course not, but they made certain decisions for a reason. Usually a protectionist one that was a product of its time. Look at how many times the CIA tried to kill Castro for example. How can the state instantly be dismantled when under such a siege?
Even then it's can easily be argued that your average Cuban experiences less "authoritarianism" post revolution, even with all the struggles in the country.
All I know is that Cuba, even when under seige, helped my country, South Africa, to fight apartheid, by sending their army to fight in the border wars. No one else did such. They may be a state at the end of the day, with the downsides all states have, but what they have achieved must be acknowledged and respected. A greater life expectancy than the US. Fighting injustice. An inclusive family code, making up for mistakes of the past.
From its earliest days, the Cuban Revolution has also been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of the vicious imperialist-orchestrated campaign to destroy the impressive gain made in the Cuban Revolution
- Nelson Mandela
I read the title assuming OP must mean that the images featured in the Dunk Tank, the stuff we put there to point and laugh at, was too much for OP to handle. And I could relate. Sometimes my blood is already boiled enough and I can't take reading any more.
But no. It turns out that OP is upset and malding because of the people here commenting on the threads in the Dunk Tank. :picard:
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i'm goin in lads
someone that isnt a too-often-online sectarian among the left.
sectarianism is only something that a tankie cares about when we won’t bend the knee.
sectarianism is only something that a tankie cares about when we won’t bend the knee.
God yes I love the drama of you reddit liberals, so greasy thick like machine lube. Ominous period at the end and everything:farquaad-point:
tankie
Do you know the historical origins of the term, tankie, perchance?
It specifically was a slander against Khruschev for putting down a "revolution" in Hungary. That revolution was a CIA-backed "color revolution." where fascists were doing pogroms against Jews and Communists.
https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/VRz8Ef9DqP.png
Here is what ziq wrote: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ziq-tankies-and-the-left-unity-scam
Very different takes. Seems ziq wouldn't and isn't agreeing with anti-sectarian policies.
This is a literal death threat. I’m sure the mods will take it down any moment.
non-sectarianism is when you make a tiny low traffic website and then pretend to be different users
good point, i guess that's why historically anarchists get crushed after the revolution.
yes, which is why anyone calling for “left unity” makes us suspicious.
all authoritarianism is bad, all hierarchies are bad. not sure how you plan to get anything accomplished being nice to capitalists but good luck! no hierarchies going to get you crushed by a semi modern army. so many anarchists want to skip the work and get right to utopia.
I mean they're right about that though, the institutions we build in struggle need to prefigure the institutions we want to have when we win.
Yeah I'm an anarchist, yeah all my opinions align perfectly with the US State Department. Problem tankies??
gotta stir up some controversy and then screengrab the best responses for that sweet sweet :reddit-logo: karma
gotta write a 5 page essay on how the transgenders at hexbear were mean to them
here at HexBear, we think people who use the word tankie are morons. also why are 95% of new posts in that 196 section? looks fuckin awful.
That's pretty nice, they seem like a good fit for your website. As you can tell by the responses here, I don't think many hexbear users will be joining raddle. Just too different in culture and all that. But I think you'll be glad to hear that though, haha.
Wish you well in your endeavours over there.
Raddle has existed for years. You should remember that the authoritarians who founded Hexbear could have made a forum on our site, but they decided to chase power instead.
"you could have been on my site where im in charge but nooooo you didnt. you authoritarian!"
that about right? wouldnt making HexBear be the most anarchist thing to do?
extra thought, i assume you have full control of the website, making you the.....authoritarian?
I am an ancom. I was on Raddle before I was on Hexbear. From my experience the mods here are MUCH less "authoritarian" and more tolerant than what I found on Raddle. Not to mention just the friendly vibe here on hexbear is better.
If the stuff about you being an :epstein: type is true, you must love having all those highschool kids on your site.
antifacism is when you outlaw all the left wing parties in your country and take credit for the US blowing up a gas pipeline leading to europe
everything is the Russians lol. you really are a liberal arent you? your psyop needs work,
Damn, crazy to think they would join a party that isn't advocating for getting rid of Russian language schooling in areas that are majority ethnic Russia, or supporting literal Nazis running around and killing people who are in labor unions. Really fucking crazy, that.
Not allowed to post :PIGPOOPBALLS: on raddle. And this guy has the gall to call us authoritarian. You wouldn't know freedom if it showed up in your :post-hog:
I don’t owe anyone a reply. I’m not coming back here for a while, and I hope other anarchists join me on leaving this site to go to raddle.me.
This thread alone has had more activity than raddle has seen in months
I’m not coming back here for a while
/proceeds to make 15 more comments.
You mean the site that saw a bunch of traffic from the initial CTH migration, only to have you ban all but ten other posters (possibly your alts)?
Reaching out to invite people you'll just boot in a few weeks anyway is indistinguishable from intentional wrecking. Take a minute to think it over.
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When someone changes a question from why they "should" to why they "can", they concede the former point.
So everything that disagrees with genocidal regimes are nazi’s now? Tankies gonna tank I guess
What are the genocidal regimes ur referring to
you know it's mostly USSR and China. Stalin made the rain stop, and also caused all those other famines before the Soviet Union existed. and then Stalin oppressed the ruling class. so mean! effective, but too mean for the "anarchist" OP.
You're probably looking for raddle.me; this is a left unity site, so you gotta be friendly with the commies. Raddle is strictly anarchist, though not strictly left-anarchist as far as I can tell.
lol
https://raddle.me/f/Anarchism/157984/i-got-into-an-argument-with-tankies-and-i-m-stumped
You can't be serious, that's debate streamer level stuff.
Oh god you're right lol.
Check out The Black Book of Communism, a classic work of antifascism available from Harvard University Press
lol look at the fucking Makhnovists. You'll beat Stalin one day! Just keep at writing your shitty posts from exile and alienating the more useful leftists around you. Just one more article and you might see victory!
My view of Makhnov got much more complicated once I looked into the facts.
For example forcing people with weapons to fight in an army was something he organized. Is that anarchist? If the army is needed in a fight against white or Nazi terror it sure is legitimate and that was one of the reasons MLs did it in the early years of the Soviet Union, too.
There's a story I always talk about that I think is the perfect encapsulation of his being a loser:
In June 1926, during a meal with Alexander Berkman and May Picqueray in a Russian restaurant, Makhno met with the Ukrainian Jewish anarchist Sholem Schwarzbard, who went pale upon seeing the [fascist] Ukrainian nationalist leader Symon Petliura walk into the room. Schwarzbard immediately informed the Batko of his intentions to assassinate Petliura, in revenge for the pogroms carried out in the Ukrainian People's Republic, during which some of his family members had been killed. Makhno attempted to dissuade him but the deed was carried out anyway, with Schwarzbard's subsequent trial bringing to light a trove of documentary evidence on the pogroms in Ukraine, exonerating the assassin.
he was kinda cool in some ways but when things got tough his project too quickly resorted to some level of chaotic vanguardism and violence to pull through and manage stuff. Scale that up to the complexity and issues the USSR project had to deal with and you can quikly see he was far from a "better alternative than the bolsheviks that they crushed"
And here I was just trying to aid someone. Not mutually, unfortunately.
Is this a joke? They are not.
Unless you mean libertarian socialists.
I don't see how capitalist libertarians can be anarchists in any way, shape or form.
"Libertarian" really did mean anarchist originally, it was straight up a synonym. Being a self-described anarchist was outlawed in France and so they adopted the term Libertarian such that they could still operate and have influence with the public. But like so many other cool leftist things, the right stole the term and fooled everyone into thinking it was theirs. Now we have to differentiate between libertarian socialists and american "libertarians" all because fascists are unoriginal and continuously undermine the left by cooption.
I have no idea if that's what ziq means, but if they allow the modern american form of "libertarians" on their site at all, then fuck them all the more, their site is even less leftist than I realized.
No it's a straight up libertarian subforum from what I can tell
https://raddle.me/f/Libertarian/115911/libertarian-forum-purpose
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I don't know why I sometimes try not to assume the worst.
To be fair to the raddle userbase it's pretty inactive, so I think most of them are not libertarians lol.
Lol so that place is cool but pro-Cuba posts are evil
Absolutely useless forum, just wasted potential
Lol Reddit “anarchists” are just spicy liberals that like appropriating the radical aesthetic example #583739
If you consider yourself an antifascist anarchist, at some point you have to contend with right-libertarianism's explicit synthesis of "small government" politics with nationalist Christian supremacy. Otherwise "fascism" is just a word you use for people you have beef with online.
lol fuck that site and so many of its posts are fucking trash
I met that dude at an anarchist bookfair, he was handing out zines on "green nihilism" and had incredibly specific and incredibly idiosyncratic standards for what was and wasn't anarchy.
read Engels "On Authority", but i wish you well on your journey to get the capitalists to join hands with us in harmony.
On authority doesn't say anything anarchists don't already know. Read Malatesta
Anarchy and Violence affirms the need for violent revolution while specifying what makes an anarchist approach to it different.
