all authoritarianism is bad, all hierarchies are bad. not sure how you plan to get anything accomplished being nice to capitalists but good luck! no hierarchies going to get you crushed by a semi modern army. so many anarchists want to skip the work and get right to utopia.
I mean I don't believe in the Marxist progression of history, it doesn't stand up with modern evidence. It's more of a practical matter: if you want something to be a certain way you've got to make it happen. You'll of course have to compromise at points, but don't start with the compromise
I forgot the comm this was in. Alright, the Paris Commune is an example of the manner in which prefigurative communism fails, as the communal society was not able to resist capitalist encirclement even remotely. It's the classic example of the problem with utopian projects.
The working class did not expect miracles from the Commune. They have no ready-made utopias to introduce par décret du peuple. They know that in order to work out their own emancipation, and along with it that higher form to which present society is irresistably tending by its own economical agencies, they will have to pass through long struggles, through a series of historic processes, transforming circumstances and men. They have no ideals to realize, but to set free the elements of the new society with which old collapsing bourgeois society itself is pregnant. In the full consciousness of their historic mission, and with the heroic resolve to act up to it, the working class can afford to smile at the coarse invective of the gentlemen’s gentlemen with pen and inkhorn, and at the didactic patronage of well-wishing bourgeois-doctrinaires, pouring forth their ignorant platitudes and sectarian crotchets in the oracular tone of scientific infallibility.
Frankly it's this kind of thinking from folks like garbageshoot that makes me not want to identify with Marxists, it's really common, especially in places where communists dominate the left for Marxists to lose sight of the radical nature of Marxism and just seek to set up a really thorough social democratic state.
It's less common on this site but I run into it a lot irl and it's why I usually say I'm an anarchist or an autonomist Marxist when I think you need both, and feminism, and 4th world nationalism, and he black radical tradition.
Raddle wrecker started the thread, youre continuing it, as am i. Why are you on Hexbear if its filled with "tankieeeeez". you came in with an agenda. you keep saying "tankies" so much its meaningless. im supposed to debate an asshole on the internet in good faith? how about fuck off?
So I interpret this as a threat to dox hexbear users?
In the spectrum of political action you could take outside of organizations (which I would suggest, go into some collectives) you decide to dox people creating and participating safe spaces for trans people online (since you label their brand of political action as authoritarian or as tolerant of authoritarianism you see in pretty much any ML form).
This means you are purging leftist elements instead of trying to broaden or create bases of power or free spaces for anti hierarchical ideologies. Sounds pretty authoritarian to me.
It's also pretty laughable that id ever be fired from my job for being a socialist tbh. It only works against fascists because they are so reprehensible and incapable of working on a team
If you’re not doing anything wrong, then you don’t have anything to worry about.
It’s very telling how much this site loves talking about “purges”. Authoritarians aren’t leftist. Removing them from the internet is a type of antifascist action and I will never apologize for being antifascist.
If you’re not doing anything wrong, then you don’t have anything to worry about.
Here's an easy one: closeted or passing people being outed and thereby being exposed to violence and harassment. Any communist in South Korea or other countries where it is illegal. Anyone even substantially adjacent to protest actions where a "frisky" PD has jurisdiction.
You are the absolute epitome of useful idiocy if you aren't just a fed -- which I don't say often but am forced to consider here with an anarchist who says US lawbreakers have a police raid coming.
Authoritarians aren’t leftist. Removing them from the internet is a type of antifascist action
So we all agree purging fascists is good. We just understand who fascists are and accept the idea that using force against them (i.e., purges) is good, while you don't have a fucking clue who fascists are and use some bullshit reasoning to say that your purges aren't really purges.
they seem to genuinely think that everyone on this site wants to genocide trans people even though over half the admin and mod team are trans and so is much of the userbase 🙄
those evil fascist trans people, so scary! indistinguishable from a random chud in a swamp
They're not doing a very good job of "keeping track of us" then lmao
They really gotta step up their game. Gotta hustlegrind for some real actionable threats of violence to report to the FBI if they wanna get that sweet sweet wooden medal.
all authoritarianism is bad, all hierarchies are bad. not sure how you plan to get anything accomplished being nice to capitalists but good luck! no hierarchies going to get you crushed by a semi modern army. so many anarchists want to skip the work and get right to utopia.
I mean they're right about that though, the institutions we build in struggle need to prefigure the institutions we want to have when we win.
I don't think prefigurative politics really makes sense, it's utopian almost by definition. A DotP is not prefigurative in any meaningful sense.
I mean I don't believe in the Marxist progression of history, it doesn't stand up with modern evidence. It's more of a practical matter: if you want something to be a certain way you've got to make it happen. You'll of course have to compromise at points, but don't start with the compromise
Paris Commune
What about it
I forgot the comm this was in. Alright, the Paris Commune is an example of the manner in which prefigurative communism fails, as the communal society was not able to resist capitalist encirclement even remotely. It's the classic example of the problem with utopian projects.
Marx literally said that the Paris Commune was a thorough example of the DotP, but go off king
Frankly it's this kind of thinking from folks like garbageshoot that makes me not want to identify with Marxists, it's really common, especially in places where communists dominate the left for Marxists to lose sight of the radical nature of Marxism and just seek to set up a really thorough social democratic state.
It's less common on this site but I run into it a lot irl and it's why I usually say I'm an anarchist or an autonomist Marxist when I think you need both, and feminism, and 4th world nationalism, and he black radical tradition.
why are you insulting anarchism in the anarchy forum?
Raddle wrecker started the thread, youre continuing it, as am i. Why are you on Hexbear if its filled with "tankieeeeez". you came in with an agenda. you keep saying "tankies" so much its meaningless. im supposed to debate an asshole on the internet in good faith? how about fuck off?
I keep accounts on a lot of other right wing extremist websites too. It lets me keep track of dangerous groups.
For instance, I was active on kiwifarms for years. That obviously doesn’t mean I support them.
oh youre so vigilant, the world thanks you for your brave service of being on the internet. o7
I’ve helped take a lot of authoritarians off of the internet and I will keep doing that. You all eventually self-doxx.
wow youre anarchist Chris Hansen! should i take a seat?
So I interpret this as a threat to dox hexbear users?
In the spectrum of political action you could take outside of organizations (which I would suggest, go into some collectives) you decide to dox people creating and participating safe spaces for trans people online (since you label their brand of political action as authoritarian or as tolerant of authoritarianism you see in pretty much any ML form).
This means you are purging leftist elements instead of trying to broaden or create bases of power or free spaces for anti hierarchical ideologies. Sounds pretty authoritarian to me.
It's also pretty laughable that id ever be fired from my job for being a socialist tbh. It only works against fascists because they are so reprehensible and incapable of working on a team
It is good that you got a good job, but I know plenty of places were people would be fired from for participating or even visiting hexbear regularly.
Don't reveal this information if you don't want to, but what job do you do that your employer wouldn't care you're socialist.
If you’re not doing anything wrong, then you don’t have anything to worry about.
It’s very telling how much this site loves talking about “purges”. Authoritarians aren’t leftist. Removing them from the internet is a type of antifascist action and I will never apologize for being antifascist.
:the-pigs:
Here's an easy one: closeted or passing people being outed and thereby being exposed to violence and harassment. Any communist in South Korea or other countries where it is illegal. Anyone even substantially adjacent to protest actions where a "frisky" PD has jurisdiction.
You are the absolute epitome of useful idiocy if you aren't just a fed -- which I don't say often but am forced to consider here with an anarchist who says US lawbreakers have a police raid coming.
hahahah omfg, from the king of anti-authoritarians. youre a fucking liar and hypocrite who needs to brush up on some basic word definitions.
you admit to your own "purges" and claim to not be authoritarian. stop being an edgy teen.
So we all agree purging fascists is good. We just understand who fascists are and accept the idea that using force against them (i.e., purges) is good, while you don't have a fucking clue who fascists are and use some bullshit reasoning to say that your purges aren't really purges.
Lmao you're telling me you're an "anarchist" who volunteers as an internet cop?
Go outside. Find a hobby. Meet people in real life
I attend plenty of meetings offline. No-one who has ever done anything in real life would call me a cop.
Do they know about you doxing MLs and even anarchists over sectarian disagreement?
You're a cop.
If you're not a cop, you're doing a cop's job
Could you explain what you mean by authoritarian?
Look up what the three arrows represent. Legitimate antifascism is fighting against all of the arrows.
I'm asking what you, specifically, mean by "authoritarian"
Ron DeSantis and Jeff Bezos thank you for your vigilance. Cops and landlords too.
I'd love to hear who or what group you imagine we're a danger to that you consider in need of your protection.
they seem to genuinely think that everyone on this site wants to genocide trans people even though over half the admin and mod team are trans and so is much of the userbase 🙄
those evil fascist trans people, so scary! indistinguishable from a random chud in a swamp
They're not doing a very good job of "keeping track of us" then lmao
They really gotta step up their game. Gotta hustlegrind for some real actionable threats of violence to report to the FBI if they wanna get that sweet sweet wooden medal.
least reactionary "anarchist" wrecker
hero of socialist labor :hero-of-socialist-labor:
Ah, active, not lurking. Doesn't surprise me that an anticommunist also shares other fascist views.
:pigpoop:
Your anarchism is just :us-foreign-policy: with radical aesthetic.
Your presence in the anarchy forum insults anarchy