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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can, thank you.


Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)

Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Yesterday's discussion post.


  • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
    hexbear
    22
    2 years ago

    Wait so people actualy believed the story about the bridge crossing? I didn't bother looking into it because by the time I saw people commenting I just assumed it was whatever.

    But I decided to look at the DPA video because Alexander Mercouris decided to go back on the story on his update today. I thought it was unusual. Straight up lying about destroyed vehicles that look intact. Realy all the tanks are just parked along the road, what is the big deal?. The actual picture of the bridge has like maybe 4-5 actually destroyed vehicles and they were claiming 70+?

    First the failed invasion of the shitty island that doesn't matter because the west was desperate to make Putin's victory day a thing instead it was a routine celebration he didn't say anything(of course Parenti quote here).

    Now maybe half a dozen vehicles destroyed is being multiplied x10 to claim some sort of victory again?

    And DPA guy summed up my attitude as well like Russia is launching hundreds of missile strikes per week. I don't even bother looking at those reports anymore. Both sides are claiming thousands of vehicles destroyed despite only Russia providing reasonable evidence for it.

    But despite all of this they are still capturing more territory in the eastwhile the US/NATO is doing an Afghanistan/Iraq speedrun who knows they'll probably reach 1 trillion USD by the 12 month mark.

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
      hexagon
      M
      hexbear
      22
      edit-2
      2 years ago

      Wait so people actualy believed the story about the bridge crossing? I didn’t bother looking into it because by the time I saw people commenting I just assumed it was whatever.

      I'm personally in a position where I like, want to believe Ukraine's points - possibly because the grinding weight of looking at every mainstream source and seeing the perspectives allowed to be reported by, well, US state propaganda, in the form of CNN and NBC and Bloomberg and so on; the range is between "Ukraine is winning really fucking hard" and "Ukraine is in a heroic stalemate" and literally nothing else - so some part of my brain is just going "well there must be SOMETHING there, Ukraine must be doing SOME kind of strategic movement that could potentially hypothetically be perceived as moving towards a wider goal of repelling Russia." But it's slowly being turned off as fake news reports come in over time, to the point where I saw the river crossing story and just went "fool me twenty times, shame on me, I won't believe it the twenty-first time." and didn't even really bother posting the articles, I just mentioned it offhand, and lo and behold, it was exaggerated.

      Like, the entire media understanding of this war is constructed based on a specific set of lies and exaggerations gathered from a carefully curated set of points that every media site is allowed to see, and all of that misinformation is built on the flimsy foundation of their incredibly poor understanding of what war actually looks like when you're not bombing innocent civilians in the desert with truly astounding amounts of airpower that is virtually uncounterable due to the technological disparity. Their brains, and the brains of almost the entire western population (and to be honest, even a fair proportion of genuine communists who probably should know better! And I'm including myself in the first month or so among that crowd!) have been utterly poisoned by America's wars and so they see a war that's gone on for less than 3 months(!) and think it's an agonizingly slow crawl. This warfare is much closer to something in the beginning of the 20th century than like, Iraq, or even Vietnam.

      Like, imagine if you transported the average redditor or whatever back to WW2 and he saw the battle plans of the western allies or the USSR! "Haha, get cucked idiot incompetent Russians, le cauldron is expected to take four months to form? Just admit you're losing already! Your river crossing at this specific location just failed? Guess the Nazis are winning again!" It's not even seeing the trees rather than the forest, it's seeing the leaves rather than the tree.

      • Commiejones [comrade/them, he/him]
        hexbear
        9
        2 years ago

        “well there must be SOMETHING there, Ukraine must be doing SOME kind of strategic movement that could potentially hypothetically be perceived as moving towards a wider goal of repelling Russia.”

        This is what confuses me. Even a simple "we blew up a bridge and 70 tanks" turns out to be "we stopped a pontoon bridge at a specific spot and wrecked a few tanks" and that is what they report on. That is their biggest success? They correctly identified one potential crossing and managed to hit it at the right time. Its like the western media is cheering on a little league team who got to first base for the first time in half the season.