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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can, thank you.


Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)

Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Yesterday's discussion post.


  • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
    hexbear
    22
    2 years ago

    From my favorite website:

    "I hate defending this because I was against the war, but it was not at all like Ukraine.

    I get that this was almost 20 years ago, and you're a European, but the legal basis of the Iraq invasion was to enforce the UN SC Resolutions (there were around 10 of them) mandating the inspection of sites for WMD's.

    Iraq kicked out the WMD inspectors in 1998 and refused to allow any new ones back in. That's why UK, Australia, and Poland joined (with smaller groups from Spain, Italy, and, I think, Denmark).

    Everyone remembers the incorrect/false uranium story. But apparently no one in Europe remembers that that was to show why an invasion was necessary; it wasn't the reason for the invasion.

    Again, I was opposed to the war because I didn't think it was necessary - but there was a legal justification for the it.

    Other differences include the fact that a (slight) majority if Iraqis supported the war and Iraq was ruled by Saddam Hussein, a dictator who had started two wars and used poison gas on his own country.

    Ukraine was invaded by Russia with the intent to annex part of it; Ukraine's leader was democratically elected."

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
      hexbear
      25
      edit-2
      2 years ago

      Ukraine’s leader was democratically elected."

      Remember, kids; Democracy is a suicide pact. If a hostile majority wins power you just have to passively let them destroy you.

      Also, dudebro conveniently forgets that the UN weapons inspectors were desperately trying to find someone who would listen to them that there were no WMDs in Iraq and the war was bogus.

    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
      hexbear
      23
      2 years ago

      used poison gas on his own country

      Anyone who uses the phrase "their own people" or anything similar ought to be waterboarded.

    • CyborgMarx [any, any]
      hexbear
      17
      2 years ago

      Redditors have figured out you can just make shit up and let the bots upvote you

    • SoyViking [he/him]
      hexbear
      13
      2 years ago

      Oh, now I see, the Bush regime claimed to have filled out the correct forms before invading Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of people. I guess it's okay then.

    • voice_of_hermes [he/him,any]
      hexbear
      13
      2 years ago

      that was to show why an invasion was necessary; it wasn’t the reason for the invasion.

      Words.

    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
      hexbear
      2
      2 years ago

      The fucking chief weapons inspector in 1998 says that the inspectors broke previous agreements in limiting the amount of people that get access to sensitive information in Iraq and suddenly demanded no limits on the amount of people allowed into a Baath party HQ, then when they said to fuck off they pulled out the inspectors(not kicked out) and fucking bombed the country!