Wouldn't US Democratic Socialists, for example, fall under that umbrella? Now, I don't operate within those circles, but I imagine they are okay with the existence of the USA as a state, and many of them are at least not fans of China based on what I have seen. Mind you, I'm not in those groups, so I can't speak with any authority on the topic, and my knowledge of anything related to the USA is a mixture of fascination and disgust.
DSA style democratic socialists can vary wildly in my experiences. Local level organizers are usually great. Good people. National level leadership often has no idea what they're talking about, like just last year the national level DSA leadership dissolved their BDS and Palestine solidarity groups.
The leadership seems constantly out of step with what the on-the-ground members usually advocate for. Those types are the ones discussed earlier, they're perfectly fine with an America with more social safety nets rather than proletarian governance.
My fellow Americans who more often fall under the umbrella, of wanting to maintain the basic precepts of capitalism while increasing welfare, those types will be more confused. I mean the ones who arent organized. They'll have a lack of theory going on in their heads and will often identify as both liberal and socialist. They'll typically despise China and Russia, say the USSR wasn't real socialism, everything like that. On hexbear and internet spaces we usually call them radlibs (radical liberals) instead of democratic socialists though.
Wouldn't US Democratic Socialists, for example, fall under that umbrella? Now, I don't operate within those circles, but I imagine they are okay with the existence of the USA as a state, and many of them are at least not fans of China based on what I have seen. Mind you, I'm not in those groups, so I can't speak with any authority on the topic, and my knowledge of anything related to the USA is a mixture of fascination and disgust.
Feel free to enlighten me.
DSA style democratic socialists can vary wildly in my experiences. Local level organizers are usually great. Good people. National level leadership often has no idea what they're talking about, like just last year the national level DSA leadership dissolved their BDS and Palestine solidarity groups.
The leadership seems constantly out of step with what the on-the-ground members usually advocate for. Those types are the ones discussed earlier, they're perfectly fine with an America with more social safety nets rather than proletarian governance.
My fellow Americans who more often fall under the umbrella, of wanting to maintain the basic precepts of capitalism while increasing welfare, those types will be more confused. I mean the ones who arent organized. They'll have a lack of theory going on in their heads and will often identify as both liberal and socialist. They'll typically despise China and Russia, say the USSR wasn't real socialism, everything like that. On hexbear and internet spaces we usually call them radlibs (radical liberals) instead of democratic socialists though.