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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can, thank you.


Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)

Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ Gleb Bazov, banned from Twitter, referenced pretty heavily in what remains of pro-Russian Twitter.

https://t.me/asbmil ~ ASB Military News, banned from Twitter.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday Patrick Lancaster - crowd-funded U.S journalist, mostly pro-Russian, works on the ground near warzones to report news and talk to locals.

https://t.me/riafan_everywhere ~ Think it's a government news org or Federal News Agency? Russian language.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ Front news coverage. Russian langauge.

https://t.me/rybar ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

With the entire western media sphere being overwhelming pro-Ukraine already, you shouldn't really need more, but:

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Yesterday's discussion post.


  • Leper_Messiah [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Lots of news currently on telegram about Ukraine shelling civilian areas in Donetsk with rockets and artillery, including some real sad footage of a mother and her 11 year old son who were killed at a market

    Real interesting how Ukraine shrieks about running out of heavy ammo, but then use the ammo they do have to launch at civilians with no strategic value to attack. Of course, the MSM has absolutely no reporting on this, but then again they seem to have completely forgotten about Ukraine now that new shiny object is their circlejerk Jan 6 hearings

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
      hexbear
      47
      2 years ago

      The Ukrainians say the reason the continue to shell Donetsk is to make the people of DPR feel unsafe and undermine the idea that Russia can protect them.

      They are basically trying to send a psychological threat to demoralize: Russia can’t protect you from us, we are going to find you and kill you.

      Ukrainian armed forces is a terrorist organization

      • Leper_Messiah [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        You'd think after 8 years of trying this tactic and not succeeding they would rethink their strategy, especially now that they're getting owned in Donbass but i guess old habits die hard

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        11
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        2 years ago

        Making people feel unsafe has the material effect of making them cuddle up to whatever power exists that says it will protect them and makes them hate the incoming source of the bombs more and more.

        It makes absolutely no sense psychologically. If someone is shooting at you then you grab the nearest person with a gun that says they're your friend and you absolutely do not let go of them. You literally do not care who or what they are too. Imagine you're in a supermarket and a random shooting happens. Some other person with a gun is there, doesn't matter what they are, that person is going to be your best fucking friend until the shooting stops. They could even be a fascist and literally anyone here would find themselves immediately close to that person. The material conditions of that exact scenario would demand it and the material conditions do not give a fuck when push comes to shove.

    • VILenin [he/him]
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      4
      2 years ago

      Wonder when we'll get the wall to wall coverage of Ukrainian war crimes

  • CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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    40
    2 years ago

    Lathe: Zelenskyy will survive, and escape to the United States or somewhere like that. He will then get super rich by being a celebrity spokesperson for just about everything, to the point that people will remember him more as the guy in every ad more than the president of Ukraine.

    • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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      2 years ago

      Zelensky is already a TV actor comedian so it would be very easy for him. And saving only the president while we let the rest of the country burn seems like something the neoliberal west would do while claiming victory.

      you got to be careful posting these ideas a :fedposting: might send them up the chain and manifest it into reality lol

        • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
          hexbear
          14
          2 years ago

          :hex-moon: :astronaut-2: :stalin-gun-1::angel-biblical :astronaut-1:

          :think-mark: How do you think Sega stole my idea for Shadow the Hedgehog to have a gun when I was a kid

        • @Apolonio
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          4 months ago

          deleted by creator

    • @solaranus
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      9 months ago

      deleted by creator

        • @solaranus
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          9 months ago

          deleted by creator

          • Commiejones [comrade/them, he/him]
            hexbear
            14
            2 years ago

            Why don't you lathe yourself a nice sunny day with a balloon and an ice cream cone like a normal person? Its only a sick world because freaks like you keep lathing the horrible dreams leached into your mind by eldritch horrors from the ether out of time.

            • @solaranus
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              9 months ago

              deleted by creator

              • Commiejones [comrade/them, he/him]
                hexbear
                8
                2 years ago

                ugh.... the mess. Melting Ice cream dripping all over his hands. His lazy lizard tongue slapping around. Drool, bile, and ice cream coating his chin and creeping down his neck. Those dead eyes staring off into space. His giggling and mumbling response to voices only he can hear, send the top of his ice-cream cone tumbling to the ground. He stammers and blubbers shocked noises as his secret service nannies carry him off before the press can get a shot of him bawling like a spoiled fat 2 year old.

            • voice_of_hermes [he/him,any]
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              4
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              2 years ago

              If you imagine pleasant worlds, the real one is a major let down. If you imagine hellworld, then reality is at least marginally better in comparison. So far.

        • LargePenis [he/him]
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          12
          2 years ago

          Headline speaker together with Ian Miles Cheong and Jordan Peterson in the next bitcoin conference on Pedophile Island

  • artificialset [she/her, fae/faer]
    hexbear
    38
    2 years ago

    Reading articles that admit things aren't going well for Ukraine is still so weird after the last few months of awful propaganda. They still can't help themselves, though, like calling Zelenskyy "the "agile" president. Whatever the hell that means. 🙄

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Well, at least it's more general than an economic stimulus program for bowling alley employees who open a wig store that operates for 16 months in a radioactive exclusion zone

    • geikei [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      China is at the point rn where in the last couple of decades huge amounts of non strictly urban youth had the chance and excercised the choice to finish college in urban ereas and then work there and since the urban /rural devide and unequal development is one of the primary issues and contradictions in China this seems part of the policy to fight against such polarization and have the collage educated people that do have families and ties in rural ereas to stay there and help with the development and not just only and massively centralize to the biggest cities

    • kristina [she/her]
      hexbear
      20
      2 years ago

      dammit beat them with sticks until they go to the countryside :mao-aggro-shining:

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    edit-2
    2 years ago

    Britain’s hospitality sector is facing “as big a crisis, if not bigger” than during the Covid pandemic, the chief executive of trade body UKHospitality, Kate Nicholls, has told The Daily Mail.

    She warned that 10,000 pubs and restaurants could soon be out of business thanks to a “perfect storm” of inflation, with soaring energy and rental costs.

    “We’re already seeing a lot of independent operators handing in the keys and walking away,” she said on Sunday.

    Nicholls estimates that 20,000 of UKHospitality members’ businesses are still operating at a loss and 30,000 have no cash reserves.

    I've personally spoken to some petty-bougs and this is a big one. Small business in the entire country is currently not able to operate at a profit. Energy costs are too high to run their buildings.

    Either energy costs are forcibly brought down or we see an absolutely massive wave of business closure. Everything will be boarded up, everywhere.

    A pub owner I know said his energy bill to run the pub (quarterly) would be £30,000 and he can't sell the 1500-2000 pints necessary to break even.

    • Teekeeus [comrade/them]
      hexbear
      11
      2 years ago

      Have the north atlantic barbarians considered not provoking large nations? So much of this is self-inflicted.

    • SoyViking [he/him]
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      edit-2
      2 years ago

      Fuck the small business tyrants who are getting cut down by this but this will result be a disaster for the workers who are going to be out of a job and a really sad thing for the communities who will lose their pub.

      It's ordinary working class people who suffer when the rich and the powerful fight.

  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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    31
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    2 years ago

    Maasai people (I think around 15 000, maybe more) in the Ngorongoro District in Tanzania are being forcefully removed by paramilitary from their ancestral lands to make holiday resorts, hunting grounds and safaris for tourists.

    It's been going on since late April, but this weekend was really bad in terms of bloodshed, and all official media is downplaying it. Total media blackout on Mainstream news sources since the guardian article in April.

    This is one of the only articles I could find, warning very graphic

    Colonialism never ended. Just done my multinational corporations now

  • anadyr [he/him]
    hexbear
    30
    2 years ago

    Stg this is like the 4th time in as many months that Biden has said something incredibly stupid about Taiwan and then his staff have to immediately backtrack

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
      hexbear
      35
      edit-2
      2 years ago

      It’s not an accident. This is purposeful win-win politics for the White House. Biden gets to make absurd maximalist statements, red meat to the imperialists and gusanos who want to hear more about Taiwan independence. The staff can “walk it back” and take a more measured response to seem “reasonable” on the world stage.

      Strategic ambiguity is what it’s called. Biden is playing the “bad cop” and his staff is playing the “good cop”

      • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
        hexbear
        23
        2 years ago

        Apparently not. There have been reports that Biden gets pissed everytime his staff does that. He really is a senile old man stuck in the American Golden Age.

  • thelastaxolotl [he/him]
    hexbear
    30
    edit-2
    2 years ago

    Its very funny to me the spain algeria situation

    Spain tried to fuck over algeria by siding with morroco in the western sahara conflict, because they wanted morroco to control the migrant flow to their african cities, only for the russian invasion to happen and make the gas they buy from algeria even more important than the migrant flow.

    And now they are just coping and saying algeria is a russian ally and its only cutting relations with spain because of it lmao

    • star_wraith [he/him]
      hexbear
      23
      2 years ago

      They could avoid the situation they have with migrants coming to Cueta and Melilla by simply recognizing the whole idea of having colonial outposts in other countries is abhorrent, but I guess they just love that idea of colonial glory too much.

      • Teekeeus [comrade/them]
        hexbear
        21
        2 years ago

        If anglo island and frogland are has-been empires, spain is a has-been among has-beens lmao

    • SoyViking [he/him]
      hexbear
      12
      2 years ago

      I thought they were pissing and moaning about how they were about to run out of shells. They certainly have enough left to do terror bombings with no military purpose.

  • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Western Self-Destruction Continues: US Eyepoking China, US Failed Muscling of Latin America, EU Commission Scheme to Admit Ukraine. To What End? Naked Capitalism

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    We’ll try to keep this post at a high level, since each of the three fresh examples of actual or expected own goals are part of a much longer list. But it’s baffling to see incompetence and hubris become a routine part of geopolitics, Western style.

    The first is the continued US eyepoking of China, which began with the first US-China summit under Biden at US invitation in Alaska. It produced what by international standards was close to a public row. Since then, we wer listing new jabs almost daily in Links, although they appear to have become less frequent after the war in Ukraine broke out.

    Mind you, there are reasons for the US to be concerned about China, and not just of the “declining power threatened by upstart” sort. China has a large population and not enough domestic resources, particularly food and energy, to provide for them, let alone to support a further rise in living standards (mind you, the world can’t support the Chinese population living at a Western level absent radical conservation and other efforts to reduce commodities consumption). Focusing on Chinese acquisitiveness, by implication at the expense of other developing economies, could be a usefully rallying point, particularly if the West were to get serious about belt-tightening, or at least conservation.

    But instead the US provokes China above all over Taiwan. Aside from the fact that it’s the fastest way to get China riled up, it’s hard to see the point. The deliberately ambiguous position of the West on Taiwan heretofore has allowed us to trade with both parties, if you conceptualize them as operating independently. I haven’t heard of a Taiwan lobby in the US with meaningful clout. Right now, the US arms merchants have plenty of buy orders coming in thanks to the need for the NATO members, and to some degree the US, thanks to the need to restock and update stores depleted by the Ukraine conflict.

    Maybe the goal is to get neighbors like Japan and South Korea nervous and therefore have then cling to us. But it’s pretty clear that the US is stoking a conflict, and why should I be happy about the prospect of being dragged in?

    ...

    Now, briefly, to a lower-stakes US effort to push other countries around that backfired, embarrassingly, because they were the sort that our State Department assumes will be subservient. The US was hosting the Summit of the Americas summit in Los Angeles but was not inviting Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela because we don’t deem them to be democratic enough. But right wing authoritarian regimes like those in Brazil, Colombia and Haiti get our Good Housekeeping seal of approval.

    Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador decided to boycott the meeting, although his foreign minister was set to attend. The unraveling continued. From Responsible Statecraft:

    "The presidents of Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador declined as well. At the Summit, other heads of state openly criticized Washington for not inviting all the nations of the Americas.

    Irregular migration was a main focus of the Summit, but between them, the countries excluded and those whose presidents stayed home accounted for 69 percent of the migrants encountered by U.S. Customs and Border Protection in April — nearly 180,000 people. Trying to formulate a strategy to stem irregular migration without engaging the governments of the migrants’ home countries is a recipe for failure.

    Other issues on the Summit’s agenda — environmental protection and climate change, public health, organized crime — are also transnational problems that cannot be effectively addressed unilaterally. Therein lies the flaw in Biden’s Wilsonian disposition to only engage with democracies. Sometimes you have to engage with governments you don’t like in order to deal with urgent problems."

    ...

    Now to the EU engaging in increasingly bizarre and self-harming behavior. It’s shocking to see the contrast between the regime under Jean-Claude Juncker versus Ursula von der Leyen. Juncker was a drunk who too often enjoyed speaking out of school with journalists. But when teamed with Michel Barnier on the seemingly-never-ending Brexit negotiations, he managed to rise to an approximation of statesmanlike. Barnier and Juncker were also careful, when the British team didn’t throw hopeless timing spanners, about respecting the primacy of the EU Council and briefing sherpas before those meeting.

    By contrast, von der Leyen is a self-appointed Queen of the EU, and not a very capable one either. She’s also made it a point to relentlessly press EU members into signing up for aggressive anti-Russia policies that will hurt them more than Russia, the latest being the Russian oil sanctions.

    We have yet another von der Leyen scheme being pushed forward this week: that of having Ukraine join the EU. If this happens, it will put the Union into a fast-terminal decline. Fortunately, the press is already reporting that Denmark and the Netherlands are opposed, which means there are likely others that haven’t yet gone public.

    First, and least important, there are procedural issues. There’s a queue of countries ahead of Ukraine for admission to the EU. It makes a mockery of the idea that the EU had a disciplined and objective process to let Ukraine jump to the front of the line.

    Second, no way, no how does Ukraine even remotely qualify for membership. The EU is already unhappy with Poland over its refusal to respect the primacy of the ECJ. It’s mad at Hungary because it’s a little country run by a popular authoritarian who doesn’t know his place. The EU refused to admit Turkey over human rights violations, such as purges after a failed coup, and lack of freedom of expression.

    So how about our precious Ukraine? It has right wing thugs as a second military, under the Interior Ministry, to act as enforcer. This is the same parallel structure that Hitler used and for similar reasons: he wanted to be sure his shock troops would be sufficiently brutal (the regular army was often reluctant to kill rebels in Donbass). Politicians have been beaten and killed by various right wing groups; Zelensky himself was threatened if he implemented the pro-Russia policies he campaigned on.

    Zelensky has since outlawed all opposition parties, shut down opposition papers, jailed an opposition leader, and disappeared journalists.

    Oh, and that’s before getting to Ukraine’s massive corruption [...]

    Third, admitting Ukraine into the EU means all those Ukraine refugees can live anywhere in the EU and take advantage of their new home’s social services. Think the neighbors can take the costs on an ongoing basis?

    Fourth, Ukraine will be entitled to EU subsidies, when it’s sure to be a huge net drain. Ukraine was already the poorest country in Europe. Russia will be taking the east and a lot of the south, and even though those areas are economic basket cases, they are still more productive than the rest of the country.

    Fifth, as a pretty obvious implication of number four above…Ukraine is losing! It’s beyond the point of any hope of turning it around. Even the English language press, having way oversold Ukraine’s capabilities and prospects, is more and more often running articles on how bad conditions are. Even Ukraine authorities are starting to come clean about the daily deaths and the overwhelming Russian materiel advantage.

    And the longer the West tries to pump air into its balloon (and joining the EU would extend that exercise), in the end the more territory it will lose to Russia. So letting Ukraine into the EU will also be signing up for a reconstruction project in a rump and likely landlocked state.

    Sixth, it’s not clear Ukraine can be regarded as a country, as opposed to a US colony. As we did in Afghanistan, we’re now funding the government budget. Before that, in 2020, the IMF approved a $5 billion facility, which as far as I can tell on a fast reading, rolled over existing loans plus extended new credit. The IMF gave Ukraine another $1.4 billion loan when the war started. The US has approved additional borrowing by Ukraine under a Lend Lease Act, although I can’t find the maximum authorized.

    Seventh, another issue is that the Ukraine banking system is likely to need to be recapitalized. From what I can tell, most of the big banks are headquartered in Kiev or Kharkiv. In the areas Russia is “liberating”, it is converting banks to roubles, and rumor has it, wiping out debts. That actually makes sense, since old loans would have been made under Ukrainian law but not under a new regime. The write-offs will stimulate the local economies, create good will towards the occupiers, and leave big balance sheet holes for the parent banks. What’s not to like?

    Last but not least…this move is going to terminally alienate Turkey, which let us not forget is the most important member of NATO, by virtue of location and having the second biggest NATO armed force. As if the stunt of seeking to admit Sweden and Finland to NATO without consulting Turkey wasn’t enough of a diss, the prospect of admitting a removed basket case being propped up by the US over Turkey will further harden Erdogan’s hostility. Mind you, Erdogan is too cagey to tie his fortunes to Russia and China. But it’s reasonable to bet he’s only going to be accommodating to the West only when it suits him or the costs are very low.

    But none of this will deter Queen Ursula! Full steam ahead!

    • @solaranus
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    • anadyr [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Damn yo and that's not even including Guaido getting kicked out of the restaurant. I think that's the most embarrassing thing to happen to the US in a while. Even the EU has given up on Guaido, but here is the US still calling a guy who got chased out of a restaurant by the people president. Like holy shit that looks weak

  • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Which leaders in this conflict on the side of the West, broadly construed, are actually competent? I won't even add the requirement that they're at all good people, I will allow bigoted and evil people to qualify as competent if they can otherwise run their country, but just, who does the West have who is better than the average person at running their country or organization?

    I'm struggling to think of anybody tbh.

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
      hexbear
      27
      2 years ago

      Macron is probably the most competent major leader in the west. I will say that Erdogan and Orban have been acting shrewdly and competently, although not necessarily in the interests of the west but in their own nations interests.

      Biden has leaky brain. Scholz is a fumbling noob. BoJo is BoJo and barely clinging to power. Poland has ascended to another dimension.

      • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        Of course Macron is the most competent, he had an excellent teacher and that's why he married her (well that and the grooming)

        Like Ayn Rand and :maxwell: have taught us, girlbosses can be libertarians too

    • chlooooooooooooo [she/her]
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      19
      2 years ago

      macron and draghi both seem a little more level-headed than the other major leaders. less hawkish (in comparison, anyway), more open to peace talks to end this pointless bloodshed.

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      France and Germany are carefully threading a needle that doesn't truly put them at odds with anyone and aim to be able to have relations with everyone after the war.

      Britain have almost achieved a new British/Polish/Ukrainian power group, but has not materially benefitted Britain in any way other than influence and reshaping the power dynamics of Europe. The British are interested in seeing the EU end entirely though and their planning is built around taking advantage of a post-EU mess.

      A few countries have tried to keep to themselves and not get sucked in.

      That's all I can think of.

      • Alaskaball [comrade/them]M
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        2 years ago

        German CEO spent the entire evening telling Hudson that his loyalty is with the US, you can trust me etc lol.)

        I can corroborate that since I know an ancient guy who married a granddaughter of a Prussian general/bank owner. Apparently his grandfather-in-law had to flee into hiding since he was an old Prussian aristocrat that fucking hated the nazis since they were upstart thugs that wanted to "hire" him back to fight their wars. And since he went into hiding and was publically anti-nazi, his bank, noble estate, etc. were under threat of confiscation by the state his son - the old guy's father-in-law - went full nazi and doubled down as a loyal party member and ideological crusader to stop the nazis from taking his family's shit since "he assumed the role of family head of the estate and business"

        So apparently after the war he was captured by the Americans and stuffed into a reeducation camp (funny how reeducation camps are good when we do it) to be denazified. The old dude said his father-in-law came out of the camp deradicalized, hating the nazis, and loving America and democracy. Said the old fuck knew as much about America and its history as an academic scholar.

        He said his father-in-law in post-war Germany still kept his bank and noble estate and world for the West German government as a federal judge until he retired.

  • kleeon [he/him, he/him]
    hexbear
    25
    2 years ago

    me, after hacking into rutube and deleting 10 year old nastya's sims let's play: lmao putin will be so owned when he hears about this

  • Eldungeon [none/use name]
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    24
    2 years ago

    Everyone said this would be a quagmire for Russia, but it seems like the opposite. They've made a meat grinder for western weapons making them DOA. The arms manufacturers were happy enough about this and cravenly took advantage of the situation, and likewise our business leaders in the energy sector but the real economy is screaming in west. Lib commentators will look back and wonder if this was in ras-Putin-s evil master plan. Only question I have is, will Russia make another offensive after Ukraine exhausts itself.?