:flattened-bernie:

  • wifom [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Bernie will raise like 400 million dollars by november and go on every podcast in the patreon top 100 just to roll up to Iowa and finish 4th when half of the precincts ignore his totals because the democrats passed a law in 2023 that explicitly bans tankies like Bernie, AOC and Elizabeth Warren from gaining delegates.

    • CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I agree with every part there except for the idea that the Democrats will ever pass a law.

      • Runcible [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        they actually do pass bills and laws that prevent good things and occasionally also ones that do bad things

    • 20000bannedposters [love/loves]
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      2 years ago

      You don't need to pass laws to rig a private election that they actually don't need to be holding if they didn't want to

      • Opposition [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        http://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/

        • 20000bannedposters [love/loves]
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          They don't even have to have a primary. They could just tell Biden to get fucked and give it to hrc if they really wanted to

  • MC_Kublai [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    IT’S NEVER TOO LATE FOR PUNISHED BERNIE ON THE MAOIST TICKET :punished-bernie:

    Otherwise, just let the old man rest for fuck sake

    • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      Is anyone making him do this? I've been daydreaming about what it would be like to just keep complaining about capitalism to anyone who will listen to me for decades. Why stop? You get free attention and an outlet to harp against the system. Why stop before death pulls you off stage with a cane? It gives him something to do.

      Unless they are pushing him to not retire then that's totally fucked

  • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]
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    Only if he runs as a third party (communist) candidate, hostile to the Dems and gop alike :bern-disgust:

    • nohaybanda [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      When a serious socialist movement rises up, Democrats will pray for a meek lib like Bernie to come around and vent away revolutionary fervor.

    • geikei [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Well i dont see how this says a socialist should run. It says Bernie should. He is a socdem through and through despite the left's power level hiding wet dreams and energy to put a socdem into office exists. How much and if at all should the socialist left still chase behind it and tail it is a seperate lesson but on the other hand Jacobin is hardly a non socdem publication

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I feel like watching him run again is a lot like watching Patrick Stewart in Star Trek Picard. Like... my brother in Christ, I love seeing you on the screen again but you really shouldn't be doing this. You should be home relaxing with the grandchildren.

    • Neckbeard_Prime [they/them,he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Like watching an arthritic dog try to do tricks to garner its owner's attention and approval despite being in obvious agony at every movement.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        It's like not seeing a relative in person for a few years, then meeting up with them and realizing that they've crossed the line from one stage of life to the next in your absence.

        Watching the show was incredibly melancholic for me.

  • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    He should probably just call it, he's done his time. If he ran again as anything other than a third party option, it would make him look like an absolute wiener.

  • SovietyWoomy [any]
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    2 years ago

    He can drop out and support the corporate candidate three times in a row

  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I know it's a meme but the man's got nothing to lose and I think with Biden's support collapsing he might have the best shot he's ever had at actually winning the primary. People want something different, and they might run back to Trump - but if you give them a third option more of them are gonna take it than last time.

    And if he loses again hey it's not like it makes things worse.

    • Opposition [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      They'll just rig the primary again. They did in 2016 and flat out admitted it in court. Then in 2020 remember Super Tuesday and how Bernie was all set to win and mysteriously lost big? The DNC rigged the primary to put up literally the only person in the US who could lose against Donald Trump. Court Concedes DNC Had the Right to Rig Primaries Against Sanders

      On August 25, 2017, Federal Judge William Zloch, dismissed the lawsuit after several months of litigation during which DNC attorneys argued that the DNC would be well within their rights to select their own candidate. "In evaluating Plaintiffs' claims at this stage, the Court assumes their allegations are true - that the DNC and Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favor of Clinton and sought to propel her ahead of her Democratic opponent," the court order dismissing the lawsuit stated. This assumption of a plaintiff's allegation is the general legal standard in the motion to dismiss stage of any lawsuit. The allegations contained in the complaint must be taken as true unless they are merely conclusory allegations or are invalid on their face.

      The DNC is beyond corrupt, look at all the outrageous stunts they pulled during the convention . The RNC isn't immune either, they did the same things to Ron Paul delegates. Remember the anti-Semitic Bernie Sanders shirts the DNC had on sale at the gift shop?

      • ssjmarx [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Making the DNC take their mask off in order to explicitly defend the wealthy isn't a bad thing. I don't know how many times we have to do this dance before we convince a critical mass of people to lose faith in elections but we aren't there yet.

        • geikei [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          Yeah its good if this happen but a third sanders campaign , if thats its usefuleness, shouldnt hog large amounts of manpower, focus, time and founds from American leftist orgs and activists. But it will , for a year no less. Is it worth it ?

          • MerryChristmas [any]
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            2 years ago

            I imagine he'd really lean into recent union victories, giving them a prominent voice during a campaign season. Bernie campaigns always pull some baby leftists into the pipeline, too. I don't think we'd be in a worse position if he ran.

    • WalterBongjammin [they/them,comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      I agree, honestly. He's old as fuck and likely people will be much more jaded this time. The worst thing that can happen is that he loses in the general and then the Dems can point and say 'look, leftwing positions are unpopular and you have to be rightwing to win', but that's literally what they say anyway

      • Neckbeard_Prime [they/them,he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I want to live in the alternate reality where Bernie trounces Trump in 2024 and then does a Saddam-style purge, publicly executing the entire neoliberal and Blue Dog wings of the Democratic Party before turning his attention to eliminating the Republicans. In Minecraft.

        :stalin-gun-1::punished-bernie:

          • Neckbeard_Prime [they/them,he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Brings to mind those photos of CPUSA rallies back in the 1930s where they had images of Lenin, Stalin, and Lincoln prominently displayed together.

            https://i.redd.it/932cg3b1x0f01.jpg

  • FRIENDLY_BUTTMUNCHER [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    One of the most regrettable things about any socialist/leftist political effort since 2016 has been our collective inability to build off of the momentum generated by Sanders. There are a pitiful number of people in the House, and exactly zero senators who have emerged from this. There are no new lodestars the left can look to in the arena of federal politics, with the exception of maybe AOC. Also rather importantly, the local level did not receive an uptick in socialist candidates. That groundswell was supposed to be the most important part of whatever movement Sanders allegedly was starting.

    • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Well, in a way it did, as many of the organizers for Bernie in local areas became organizers for the BLM protests. And as such many of those people are now facing multiple years in jail, with not much to show for it.

      As well, the Bernie movement was badly organized outside of the initial caucus states, Nevada, New York and the West Coast. Maybe a good showing in every single state capital city, but there was barely any organization funding or help. We literally got our Bernie voting merch a day before the primaries here.

      • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        And as such many of those people are now facing multiple years in jail, with not much to show for it.

        Are you serious?

        • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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          Given that I know two people who fit this exact description, one of whom was facing a 2 year for 'Inciting a Riot' (they organized a Facebook event and received six months suspended sentence, still are in a huge debt hole), the other of whom was facing a 20 year sentence using a bunch of legalese that essentially boils down to 'brought a registered firearm to a protest', mind you they were a street medic and never drew their weapon, but it was on them when they were kettled and the city decided to try to bring all guns to bear on that one. It's still under litigation, and they are likely going to see a 3 or 4 year suspended sentence.

          And these are for cities that in 2021 immediately voted to raise their police budgets.

          I assume it's similar elsewhere, if not worse.

          • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            That's terrible to hear. I'm so sorry for your friends.

            the other of whom was facing a 20 year sentence using a bunch of legalese that essentially boils down to ‘brought a registered firearm to a protest’, mind you they were a street medic and never drew their weapon, but it was on them when they were kettled and the city decided to try to bring all guns to bear on that one. It’s still under litigation, and they are likely going to see a 3 or 4 year suspended sentence.

            Has this case been in the media somewhere?

            Also, it shows the complete hypocrisy of the way Rittenhouse ahs been treated.

            • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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              2 years ago

              I'm not really at liberty to talk about it specifically, though it is probably in the St.Paul or Minneapolis record system, but it was basically completely overshadowed by the Derek Chauvin verdict, as that one is occuring in Minneapolis. I tried finding an article that talked about the phenomena in Minneapolis generally (as they're not really the only one, just the only one I know), but there are none I can find, sorry.

              But yeah, if more people knew about this kind of stuff the Rittenhouse thing would continue to ring hollow. But different police have different tactics, tendencies and approaches, and Wisconsin police really like to let people open carry more than Minnesota cops, because they figure if you are open carrying you are on their side.

              • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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                2 years ago

                I’m not really at liberty to talk about it specifically (...) . I tried finding an article that talked about the phenomena in Minneapolis generally (as they’re not really the only one, just the only one I know), but there are none I can find, sorry.

                No problem at all. Thanks for looking in to it. And I understand not wanting to specifically wanting to talk about it.

    • geikei [none/use name]
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      I think interpreting and focusing on the "the socialist left didnt build off of the momentum generated by Sanders" as "people didnt vote and organize behind democrat entryist campaigns hard enough to have 5 more socdems in the senate and house" and only through the lenses of a failure to increases success in entryist electoral organizing is one the reasons the left indedeed couldnt "build off of the momentum generated by Sanders". Chasing after more AOCs as "lodestars" of the left is a recipe leading to nowhere and has led any socialist movement in any western country to nowhere despite thousands of AOCs and even AOCs winning elections. I simply dont see how this is the lesson and capitalizing the left should have persued regarding all the energy and disillusionment that came from Sanders campaign and defeat. And its because of that wrong follow up to it that surging socdem/demsoc movements in the west never directly moved a country towards socialism and never translated and were never followed by actual socialist organizing exploding from it .

  • Wheelbarrowwight [any]
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    Does he have, like, an apprentice? A protege? Some kind of Soc-Dem Nephew?

      • CrimsonSage [any]
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        2 years ago

        Hey tge farce atleast rebuilt a city and funded the construction of lots of trains. I would take that over whatever shit it is we have now.

        • Vncredleader [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Didn't he also try to make the colonies directly French citizens? Like it was dumb and lib, but he felt they where his direct subjects the same as Frenchmen so that paternalistic rule applied to them.

          The rationalist ambitions of Emperor Louis Bonaparte, Napoleon III for Algeria were to be seen in the Imperial Decree of 1857 for a network of railways, and in the support for the Saint-Simonian socialist Prosper Enfantin’s plans to industrialise the region. Enfantin raised funds to extract iron ore in Bone, but French industrialists torpedoed his proposal for a local smelting industry.

          The new Emperor disliked the European settlers who had voted against his accession, and listened favourably to native complaints of oppression and land-grabbing. In 1863 Napoleon III wrote to Arabs that: ‘Algeria is not strictly speaking a colony, but an Arab kingdom. The natives and the colonists have an equal right to my protection and I am no less the Emperor of the Arabs than the emperor of the French’. Constitutionally that position was unsustainable, but Louis Napoleon kept up his support for native rights as a counter-balance to the fervently republican settlers. The two laws voted by the senate on 22 April 1863 and 14 July 1865, known as the ‘Senatus-Consult’, defended first the native’s land rights and second granted them the right to citizenship. However, in their application, the Senatus-Consult laws ended up discriminating against Arabs and Berbers. In formalising land rights, the courts reduced traditional land-holdings precipitately. Intended to grant citizenship by a ‘well-meaning Emperor’[8] the second Senatus-Consult allowed Algerians to apply for French nationality but only if they allowed their Statut Personnel to be French, so subjecting themselves to French courts in such matters as marriage and inheritance.[9] Between 1865 and 1 November 1867 only 56 Muslims and 115 Jews made applications. However, under the terms of the law, all Algerians were subjects of the Empire, and therefore subject to its taxes. Similarly, the Imperial College, open to Algerians, but with the goal of assimilating them into French culture, taught its lessons in the French language, and recruited just 99 Algerian pupils in 1865, 81 in 1866. In 1870 the Algerians under the military zone revolted. French repression re-doubled, and the ideal of assimilation was exposed more openly as a lie. The Algerians were not to be treated as equals with equal rights to the French, but inferiors. That same year the Crémieux decree granted French citizenship to Algerian Jews, in a policy of divide and rule, consolidating a loyal intermediary layer of Jews between the natives and the settlers. In fact the French republicans had recreated a system that was, according to Governor General Gueydon ‘the serfdom of the natives’.[10] In 1881 the Code Napoleon was supplemented with a special ‘native code’, which listed 27 imprisonable crimes. These included, most extraordinarily, refusal to carry out corvée labour, an insulting attitude in the presence of French officials and travelling in Algeria without a permit. The flag hanging over the colonial office was the same tricolour that Marianne used to lead the revolutionaries against the King, but the policy imposed under it was closer to the restitution of feudal servitude. According to General Hanoteau, an officer of the bureaux arabes: ‘What our settlers dream of is a bourgeois feudalism in which they will be the lords and the natives the serfs’.[11] In May 1898, in the heady atmosphere of the anti-Dreyfus campaign, Algeria elected four anti-Semitic deputies to the National Assembly after a week of anti-Jewish rioting that January. Governor Laferrière bent to the colonists’ demands for autonomy, granting financial independence and the creation of an elected colonial assembly. Algeria became a ‘small French Republic’ in which ‘the voter’s card became the title of nobility in this novel feudal system’.[12]

          https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/fr/defeat-french-humanism.htm

  • 4zi [he/him, comrade/them]
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    I think he should do it just to take away votes from Kamala and la rata, because there’s no shot biden is running again