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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can, thank you.


Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)

Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ Gleb Bazov, banned from Twitter, referenced pretty heavily in what remains of pro-Russian Twitter.

https://t.me/asbmil ~ ASB Military News, banned from Twitter.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday Patrick Lancaster - crowd-funded U.S journalist, mostly pro-Russian, works on the ground near warzones to report news and talk to locals.

https://t.me/riafan_everywhere ~ Think it's a government news org or Federal News Agency? Russian language.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ Front news coverage. Russian langauge.

https://t.me/rybar ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

With the entire western media sphere being overwhelming pro-Ukraine already, you shouldn't really need more, but:

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Yesterday's discussion post.


  • HodgePodge [love/loves]
    hexbear
    38
    2 years ago

    i still don't understand why this site has weirdos who keep showing up on wrecker alts even after they're banned... like the site doesn't try to keep you out, just stop being a loser and start fresh

    • amber2 [she/her,they/them]
      hexbear
      13
      2 years ago

      *posts something mildly controversial*

      Yeah mods are probably gonna ban me for this one even though I didn't break any rules (and I am going on a rant against mods in the comments of my own post)

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
      hexbear
      29
      2 years ago

      Why do libs think calling someone Napoleon is an insult? Dude was one of the most successful conquerors of all time

      • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
        hexbear
        28
        2 years ago

        They don't learn history outside of vaguely knowing about "napoleon complex" and that he lost at waterloo.

        • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
          hexbear
          31
          2 years ago

          It’s funny because Napoleon is a Liberal hero. A European Great Man of Enlightenment who smashed apart the decaying old monarchies and feudal remnants, forcefully sweeping them aside to make room for the emerging bourgeois class and industrializing.

          He was a progressive force historically, although with very obvious problems and bourgeois brain worms

          • Alaskaball [comrade/them]M
            hexbear
            28
            edit-2
            2 years ago

            You see, the real secret is that all contemporary liberals are crypto-feudalists who fight to sustain their aristocracy against any attempt to sweep them aside like rotten old growth, so any revolutionary figure - regardless of the class they represent - are figures they wish to suppress their historical revolutionary nature.

            From Franklin to Lenin, anyone that caused change to the status quo is 'problematic'

            This was me channeling my inner BMF, please leave a rating on my performance.

            • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
              hexbear
              25
              2 years ago

              Actually I think u are completely correct. Liberalism has rotted from the head, become a reactionary force instead of a progressive one as it aged past its purpose. Adam Smith talking about obsolete rentier classes like landlords with disdain no longer jives with their sensibilities. Adam Smith might as well be a communist now with how distant they have grown from him.

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
      hexagon
      M
      hexbear
      17
      edit-2
      2 years ago

      It's a fundamentally flawed premise but even in this shadow-world where the now-dead empires of Europe are morally superior to the USSR's "empire", and that Putin is the incompetent moron that the media makes him out to be, I would have at least said that Russia has a Louis XVI - but, obviously, liberals think that he was a good king and his reign was ended by the tyranny of the mob and things would be better if the French Revolution hadn't happened, even though it more-or-less gave birth to the current capitalist global order.

  • half_giraffe [comrade/them]
    hexbear
    33
    2 years ago

    But one thing that both camps can probably agree on: In today’s China, Marxism is back

    Please, I can only get so erect :mao-clap:

    Also love the addition of images, big ole :rat-salute: to Mr. 7.2e13 for the continued improvements

  • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
    hexagon
    M
    hexbear
    33
    2 years ago

    Are We Already Forgetting About the Ukraine War? Bloomberg

    Speak for yourself. I (and the loyal commenters and lurkers who are still following these threads despite the map having looked the same at a quick glance for the last couple months) are in this shit for the long haul.

    Two years ago, you couldn’t throw a rock in the cozy liberal enclaves of suburban New Jersey without hitting a Black Lives Matter yard sign. Now most of them are gone, often replaced by Ukraine-flag yard signs. While the BLM movement inspired some suburbanites to make anti-racism a permanent endeavor, many others wandered off after the next shiny object. It’s not hard to imagine the same thing happening to Western interest in Ukraine.

    Vladimir Putin’s brutal war of aggression began on Feb. 24. That’s roughly 100 days ago, but it might as well be 100 years for our addled attention spans. In the war’s early weeks, Americans were riveted by stories of Ukrainian resistance and Russian atrocity. Our attention has faded as the conflict has settled into a dismal slog, with Russia fighting Ukraine inch by inch for eastern territory. Ukrainians are no less heroic, and Russians are no less villainous, but have you seen the latest “Jiggle Jiggle” TikTok?

    Leonid Bershidsky looks back on the key lessons learned from the war so far, and the biggest might be that Ukraine needs sustained attention and help from the West, no matter the outcome. Even if Ukraine wins a miraculous military victory tomorrow, it will need money for rebuilding and help defending itself from the next Russian attack. Just as Black lives are still vital, so is the outcome of the Ukraine war, even if we stop paying attention to it.

    • Wertheimer [any]
      hexbear
      30
      2 years ago

      :a-little-trolling: Can't believe how badly The Ukraine is doing in the ratings! Ukraine isn't losing the war, they're being fired for their bad (pathetic) ratings. Sad end to great show.

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
      hexbear
      19
      2 years ago

      Even if Ukraine wins a miraculous military victory tomorrow, it will need money for rebuilding and help defending itself from the next Russian attack.

      We have always been at war in the Ukraine. We will need $40 billion in lethal aid per month in perpetuity to stave off the ever present asiatic menace from the East

      • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
        hexagon
        M
        hexbear
        15
        edit-2
        2 years ago

        I mean, they said they wanted Israel's Iron Dome missile defence system.

        Like, putting aside the obvious flaw that Palestinians with a relatively minuscule military budget can't make missiles with nearly the same sophistication as Russian missiles, which are some of if not the best missiles in the world right now, and even Israel's missile defence can't intercept enough of these missiles (many of which are essentially high school physics problems, where they literally travel in a perfectly predictable arc) to avoid serious damage, so how on earth does the US plan to make a missile defence system that can defend against a concerted Russian attack - this would presumably require tens of billions of dollars to be piped into a country that is run by oligarchs and was just about functional before the war, let alone the godawful state it'll be in after the war. This isn't "the only democracy in the Middle East" populated by poor little meow meows, it's a deeply corrupt country largely ran by racist nationalists. Which, well, Israel kinda is too, but there's a real difference in conditions there.

        • keepcarrot [she/her]
          hexbear
          7
          2 years ago

          I'm pretty sure the reason the West doesn't send primo military hardware to Ukraine is that it wouldn't be a good look to see, say, a missile defence system lauded as the best and most advanced in the world get popped by a hypersonic missile from the "incompetent, underequipped, corrupt" Russian forces. They certainly wouldn't want a grounded or downed F-35 captured. This would also do harm to the idea of Western military invincibility that it's enjoyed fighting enemies with no air support or advanced air defence systems. It doesn't even have to be guaranteed, but it is almost definitely a legitimate fear.

          You can see the kind of PR nightmare the Turkish Baykatar drones have been, which has probably harmed at least some international arms sales.

  • LargePenis [he/him]
    hexbear
    29
    2 years ago

    Russia/LPR forces are moving fast again, two separate river crossings today with quick town captures afterwards and it seems that Ukrainians are starting to completely collapse in Severodonetsk. Even the guys in Lysychansk are threatened now with Russia/LPR forces crossing the river from the airport direction very close to Lysychansk. The next major battle after Severodonetsk seems to be Sloviansk with the DPR forces closing in on the city. The focus on Donbass right now, but I feel that Russia are preparing something major in either the Sumy or the Nikolaev direction

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
      hexbear
      11
      2 years ago

      A Russian offensive seems to be building up in Kherson region as well, possibly towards Zaporizhzhia.

  • JamesGoblin [he/him]
    hexbear
    26
    2 years ago

    The U.S. Dilemma–Pricey Weapons That May not Work by Larry Johnson; TLDR quote:"The United States has created the most expensive racing car in the world but the race it will run is over an off-road course littered with rocks, deep ruts and sandy mountains. In short, the vehicle will breakdown and not complete the race."

    As usual, I find comments below even more interesting than the article!?

    • 20000bannedposters [love/loves]
      hexbear
      18
      2 years ago

      Man the comments. I'm sure the guy that writes for that web site is as pro America as you can get. And his like guys we got a problem

  • I_Voxgaard [comrade/them]
    hexbear
    25
    edit-2
    2 years ago

    "So, with the premise being fundamentally flawed, we proceed."

    -SeventyTwoTrillion

    lmao

  • Yanqui_UXO [any]
    hexbear
    24
    edit-2
    2 years ago

    A bit of a head scratcher from Nicaragua, first reported by Sputnik Brasil :

    Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega authorizes the entry of foreign troops, ships and aircraft into the country for humanitarian purposes, starting in the second half of 2022.

    List of authorized countries: Russia, United States , Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and the Dominican Republic.
    Effective: Jul 1 - Dec 31 2022

    Here's the primary source (in Spanish).

    The US is obviously the odd one on this authorization list. Maybe all of this is just nothing and part of some history I'm not aware of. Or could be preparation to defend from a potential coup and the US is on the list just to soften the news of this decision ("look, technically the US can come too, lol"). Scenario-maximum, this is part of Russia's "military-technical response" to NATO's refusal to roll back to 1997 borders (but I personally doubt it, because why would Nicaragua agree to such a dangerous gamble). And obviously the authorization does not mean troops from the above countries can just come whenever they please, there is some invitation protocol. For the folks fluent in Spanish, I'd appreciate if you could spot any interesting details in that document I linked above.

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
      hexagon
      M
      hexbear
      19
      2 years ago

      DPA has said that Russia has captured the Severodonetsk airport. In general, the coverage of Severodonetsk once you get down to a granular level is very confusing, with Ukraine claiming things that seem virtually impossible (like villages being held by Ukraine far ahead of the current lines while fighting is actively taking place on the front behind it).

      How much of this is real fog of war and how much is stage fog, who can truly say with our current information, but to paint with a broad brush: any and all claims of Ukraine mounting a counteroffensive that's actively taking ground from Russia there is, I believe, bullshit. The most favourable interpretation is that Ukraine is saying that they're taken settlements and positions that they've actually held all this time and are just talking about it now to make it seem like they're advancing; the most realistic is that this is the next major propaganda effort after the Snake Island affair. I don't doubt that Ukraine is putting up a relatively serious degree of resistance to try and keep Russia from advancing forward, which, if Russia is successful, would mean the total capture of Lugansk province within a couple weeks of the capture of the city once they mop up the remaining smaller positions. But aside from very temporary back-and-forth advances and retreats along streets and such, the trend is that Russia is taking the city and increasingly the industrial zone.

      Aside from Severodonetsk, Russia continues to fight and advance towards Slovyansk today, and has also actually gained ground, it appears, in Kherson, as they fortify the points at which Ukraine is trying to puncture through.

  • krammaskin [none/use name]
    hexbear
    21
    2 years ago

    The decisive move that avoided a major political crisis came from Amineh Kakabaveh, an independent and pro-Kurdish Iranian-born lawmaker.Kakabaveh – a vocal critic of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan – abstained from voting to leave just 174 votes against Johansson.

    Well, she made the government promise to deepen cooperation with and support for the Syrian Kurdish government PYD. Why leave that out?

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
      hexagon
      M
      hexbear
      14
      2 years ago

      Yeah, I remember somebody, probably @Huldra, talking about this, and the only line that mentions this in the article is:

      "The independent MP had initially threatened to vote against the justice minister over Sweden's negotiations with Turkey over NATO membership."

      Otherwise it's just talking about minorities in Sweden. Thought that was a bit weird.